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October 19, 2007
Free speech: Void where prohibited by the Irreligious Left
The Department of Same Song, 16,572nd Verse™ shows us the latest leftard attempt to silence conservatives. This time, it's the so-called "Interfaith Alliance" trying to shut up the pastor of First Baptist Church, Dallas, for daring to suggest that Mormons in general - and GOP presidential pretender Mitt Romney in general - aren't Christians.
Which, as it so happens, is true.
Look. Jesus Himself said "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me. (emphasis added) It is faith in Him, and nothing else, that will get a person into Heaven.
But the Mormons don't believe that. They believe that it's not Christ who determines who gets to the Father, but Joseph Smith. This runs directly counter to what Christ said, and in essence calls Christ a liar.
Mainstream Christianity, particularly the Southern Baptists (of which I am one) have held to this for the entirety of our existence. So when Robert Jeffress of FBC Dallas tells his congregation that Mitt the Mormon isn't a Christian, he's not exactly dropping a bombshell on anyone, y'know?
But apparently when he tells the Dullest Moaning Snooze that he thinks it's important to elect a Christian president - welllllll, we can just toss his First Amendment rights out the window, can't we?
So thinks the "so-called" Interfaith Alliance - and I say "so-called" because I'm not sure who or what these jackasses have faith in, but it's not the God of the Bible - or His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.
Pastor Crosses Line In Criticizing Romney Interfaith Alliance Says Sermon Could Spark IRS Investigation
Translation: If you don't shut up, you fascist preacher pig, we'll shut you up by sicc'ing the gubmint on you, y'hee-ah?
Washington, DC – The Interfaith Alliance criticized Pastor Robert Jeffress of the First Baptist Church of Dallas for a September 30 sermon in which he told his congregation that former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney "is not a Christian." This indictment of a presidential candidate's faith is not only morally irresponsible, it raises the possibility of legal action for illegal campaign intervention, The Interfaith Alliance warns.
All hail The INTERFAITH ALLIANCE!!! The Ultimate Arbiter™ of all our free speech rights guaranteed by the United States Constitution!!! They and THEY ALONE can determine who can speak about who's a Christian and who isn't!
Sieg Heil All Hail!!!
(Actually, this screed of theirs does sound better in the original German.)
While Pastor Jeffress claims in his sermon that "I'm neither for nor against Mitt Romney," he then told the Dallas Morning News that it is important to elect a Christian president. By classifying Mitt Romney as a non-Christian, Jeffress is attempting to tell his congregants not to vote for Romney.
He's doing no such thing, you Bitching Batch of Bombastic Buffoons™. The sermon and the DMN interview were clearly separate, and Jeffress was obviously speaking as a civilian in the News interview.
Besides, Jeffress wasn't exactly telling his congregation something that they didn't already know. Mittens isn't a Christian, by definition.
So let's get your panties out of their bunch before you go threatening to sic the IRS on him, mkay?
"The Internal Revenue Service has made it clear that houses of worship put their tax-exempt status at risk when religious leaders express support or opposition to political candidates," said Rev. Dr. C. Welton Gaddy, President of The Interfaith Alliance.
Oops. Too late. Gaddy dropped trou and showed his lame ass.
Y'know, Weldie baby, I'm sure the IRS has far more things on its collective plate than chasing after every boogeyman that some leftist twit like you cries is under his bed.
Shouldn't you, y'know, be working trying to, um, I dunno - save souls or sum'pin'?
"Just as a pastor can't tell his congregants whom to vote for, a pastor cannot tell his congregants whom not to vote for."
Yes, I'm sure all the mind-numbed robots of FBC Dallas are going to go out a la "Night of the Living Dead" and try to lobotomize Romney. 
In recent years, the IRS has increased the number investigations of political campaign intervention by houses of worship. But an even greater principle is at stake, claims The Interfaith Alliance.
Oh, yes - there's always a "greater principle" at stake. Usually, it's "Our liberal candidate can't get elected 'cause of those fascist Fundies!!! Waaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!"
"Religious leaders compromise their moral authority when attempt to use their influence to direct the electoral decisions of their congregants," said Rev. Gaddy.
Gaddy, you dumbshit, "religious leaders", as you call them, do no such fucking thing. They rightly caution their flock against voting for someone who may not share their values & beliefs. Rather than "compromis[ing] their moral authority", said leaders are actually discharging their Scriptural duty.
Yes, that sticks in your craw, seeing as it usually means that your beloved Demoscum candidates don't get elected - but I figure that's your problem, not mine.
"Pastor Jeffress is attempting to tell his congregants that they are not good Baptists if they vote for Mitt Romney
As if we didn't already know that, buttmunch? You sound just like the Wrong Reverend Barry Lynn - is there something you need to be telling us, moron?
which is both arrogant and unfair."
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! UNCA SUGAR!!!!! MAKE HIM STOPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1"
Fuckheads.
Posted by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant at October 19, 2007 05:49 PM
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Now this is the Spats that we love!
Spats my boy, this is so "on the mark" that I might just forgive you for being a Baptist! :)
Seriously, these clowns need to be taught that our pastors do not surrender their First Amendment rights when they step into the Pulpit. While I generally frown on any sort of political statement from the pulpit, and any comment on Romney's faith is by definition, political. Pastor's have the Constitutionally guaranteed right to say anything they wish from their pulpits.
This interfaith alliance needs a good trip to the woodshed, and we need to call upon the old Lens/Less squads to apply the correction!
Posted by: David Hartung at October 19, 2007 08:11 PM
The problem that you and Pastor Jeffress have that the Interfaith alliance doesn't, is that your understanding of what Mormons believe is completely flawed.
There is absolutely nothing in the teaching of doctrines of the church nor has there ever been that teaches salvation outside of the Grace of Jesus Christ. The idea that Mormons believe that Joseph determines who gets salvation is ludicrous.
All it takes is just a quick look at http://lds.org or http://mormon.org to see that the Atonement of Christ is the central doctrine of the church. Deeper and more involved searches just further confirm that truth.
Posted by: startingtolearn at October 19, 2007 08:53 PM
The problem that you and Pastor Jeffress have that the Interfaith alliance doesn't, is that your understanding of what Mormons believe is completely flawed.
Oh, do tell.
There is absolutely nothing in the teaching of doctrines of the church nor has there ever been that teaches salvation outside of the Grace of Jesus Christ. The idea that Mormons believe that Joseph determines who gets salvation is ludicrous.
All it takes is just a quick look at http://lds.org or http://mormon.org to see that the Atonement of Christ is the central doctrine of the church. Deeper and more involved searches just further confirm that truth.
So lemme get this straight: In order to find out the "truth" about Mormonism, I'm supposed to go to a pair of sites which, from their names alone, I can clearly gather are heavily biased in favor of Mormonism? Sites which have a heavily vested interest in protecting Mormonism any way they can - including not telling me the truth about it?
Thanks, but y'know what? Believe I'm gonna pass on that one.
Posted by: Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant at October 19, 2007 09:24 PM
"Just as a pastor can't tell his congregants whom to vote for, a pastor cannot tell his congregants whom not to vote for."
Interesting that (supposedly) every ideologically-based institution EXCEPT RELIGION is allowed to speak on politics.
Posted by: Alan K. Henderson at October 20, 2007 12:14 AM
starting to learn said:
The problem that you and Pastor Jeffress have that the Interfaith alliance doesn't, is that your understanding of what Mormons believe is completely flawed.
David points out:
Our understanding of the Mormon faith is not the point. The point is that we, including preachers from the pulpit, have a constitutionally guaranteed right to express ourselves.
Back in the 1960s, Lyndon Johnson wanted to silence his religious critics. He pushed a bill through Congress which made political speech a cause for taking away a church's tax exempt status. This never seems to be usedm except by those who wish to silence conservative Christians. I have lost track of the number of times that left wing politicians have spoken in black churches, or that liberal churches have engaged in political activity. They are never chastised, but let any conservative church even hint that they may be engaging in political activity and the left cries fouls and demands an investigation.
Posted by: David Hartung at October 20, 2007 06:01 AM
So is that what it takes to get you to reply around here, Spats? Tell blatant and idiotic lies? Well in that case... "The sky is purple".
OK just kidding.
As just about anybody who either:
A) isn't a Mormon, or
B) isn't a moron. or
C) isn't lying through their teeth
knows, a Mormon follows a "later revelation" (or more accurately a pathetic sham) that simply cannot be reconciled with Christ's words. Much like mooslimes do, ya know? But by pointing out that Mormons put Joseph Smith in the place of God and that mooselimbs do this with mohamhead, you open yourself up to a major problem. The obvious (and easy) counter-argument you literally hand to your opposition by that argument is that Catholics and semi-Catholics are exactly the same way, in that they put the Pope in the place of God too. And, by extension, that puts all of Protestantism under the gun as well, because they continue to follow the Pope's doctrines while claiming to reject his authority.
Oops.
Hey, you dug the hole, I'm just pouring the water in.
RH
Posted by: Robert Huntingdon at October 20, 2007 06:56 AM